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Re: The War For Canada ,Part 2 (Deux ) redux
« Reply #100 on: May 06, 2012, 02:37:26 PM »
Might be a good story for Metro News.
It would be a sure-fire way to let them ALL know we are here.

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Re: The War For Canada ,Part 2 (Deux ) redux
« Reply #101 on: May 06, 2012, 04:26:02 PM »
What I don't understand is if French is such a good language why bother to learn English, just talk French to the rest of the world.  There will soon be more Chinese in Canada than there are french so does that mean we should fund trilingual language.  You want to keep you heritage separate and unique fine but fund it from your own moneys. There are so many individuals of different nationalities who are distinct  cultures who just blend in but keep their culture alive at home, why should they not get massive funding.
fisrt of all it not all your money since supposingly we the French took all the jobs away from you guys  so i guess we are the only ones providing the government with taxes money .. no wonder they are cutting in order to support all those jobless people  ..

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Re: The War For Canada ,Part 2 (Deux ) redux
« Reply #102 on: May 13, 2012, 06:24:47 PM »
Annual cost of Bilingualism ~ Fraser Institute ~2006 Census

Federal and provincial governments spend $2.4-billion


10 provinces spend a total of $900-million

Ontario spends $623-million ( $1,275 per francophone)
just over 43,000 of the province’s more than 13 million residents  unilingual francophones.

New Brunswick spends  $85 million.(spends $357 per francophone)
10.2%  (about 75,000 people) unilingual francophones.


Quebec  $50 million ($88 per anglophone)
2.3 % unilingual anglophone

Alberta spends $33 million  ($534.70 per francophone),
 Just 0.05% (1,600 residents)  unilingual francophones

B.C. spends $23 million ($426.90 per francophone),
.03%,  about 1,200 claim to be unilingual francophones.
 
Nova Scotia spends $18 million ($540.10 per francophone),
.11% unilingual francophone

Manitoba spends $16 million ($410.20 per francophone),
1,930 unilingual francophones

Saskatchewan spends $9.65 million ($640.50 per francophone),
.04% ,Has fewer than 400 unilingual francophones

Prince Edward Island spends $5.1 million ($946.20 per francophone)
.04% Has fewer that 100 unilingual francophones

Newfoundland and Labrador spends $3.4 million ($1780.30 per francophone).
.01% , Has 50 unilingual francophones

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Re: The War For Canada ,Part 2 (Deux ) redux
« Reply #103 on: May 19, 2012, 02:09:13 PM »
Stop the Official Languages policy in Canada

http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/stop-the-official-languages-policy-in-canada.html

With the 'Anonymous' option, no one need fear signing this.

Background (Preamble):
The Official Languages Act was passed in 1969 by the Liberal government under P.E. Trudeau with the expressed purpose of making French-speaking Quebecers feel more a part of Canada.

It has failed in this primary objective because French Quebecers feel even less a part of Canada now leading to the widespread belief that we are now two separate entities, a French-speaking Quebec and an English-speaking Rest (Most) of Canada.

While outside Quebec, English-speakers are discriminated against in jobs which are clearly in favour of French-speakers, the opposite is true in Quebec where many anti-English laws have been passed in Quebec, resulting in the exodus of more than half a million English-speakers from Quebec.

If Quebec is allowed to be French-speaking, then the Rest (Most) of Canada should be allowed to be English-speaking without being discriminated against for not being able to function in French.


Petition:

We, the undersigned, want the Federal government to stop this policy which clearly discriminates against the English-speaking majority.

The OLA clearly states that this policy should only apply "where numbers warrant" - this was deliberately never defined.

We demand that the Federal government defines this criteria clearly so that the English-speaking majority is not excluded from meaningful employment within all levels of government.


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Re: The War For Canada ,Part 2 (Deux ) redux
« Reply #104 on: May 20, 2012, 06:23:42 PM »
Annual cost of Bilingualism ~ Fraser Institute ~2006 Census

Federal and provincial governments spend $2.4-billion


10 provinces spend a total of $900-million

Ontario spends $623-million ( $1,275 per francophone)
just over 43,000 of the province’s more than 13 million residents  unilingual francophones.

New Brunswick spends  $85 million.(spends $357 per francophone)
10.2%  (about 75,000 people) unilingual francophones.


Quebec  $50 million ($88 per anglophone)
2.3 % unilingual anglophone

Alberta spends $33 million  ($534.70 per francophone),
 Just 0.05% (1,600 residents)  unilingual francophones

B.C. spends $23 million ($426.90 per francophone),
.03%,  about 1,200 claim to be unilingual francophones.
 
Nova Scotia spends $18 million ($540.10 per francophone),
.11% unilingual francophone

Manitoba spends $16 million ($410.20 per francophone),
1,930 unilingual francophones

Saskatchewan spends $9.65 million ($640.50 per francophone),
.04% ,Has fewer than 400 unilingual francophones

Prince Edward Island spends $5.1 million ($946.20 per francophone)
.04% Has fewer that 100 unilingual francophones

Newfoundland and Labrador spends $3.4 million ($1780.30 per francophone).
.01% , Has 50 unilingual francophones

so now  how much money do they spend on truly unilangual English    ?????

because the figure you have are kinda weird     i have not meet to many unilangual French   but many unilangual English

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Re: The War For Canada ,Part 2 (Deux ) redux
« Reply #105 on: May 20, 2012, 06:26:10 PM »
so u #!%$^! about Quebec  but it the 11 best best place to live  for   a good  Quality of life   ... not bad    in my book

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Re: The War For Canada ,Part 2 (Deux ) redux
« Reply #106 on: May 20, 2012, 11:26:28 PM »
so now  how much money do they spend on truly unilangual English    ?????

because the figure you have are kinda weird     i have not meet to many unilangual French   but many unilangual English


New Brunswick spends  $85 million.(spends $357 per francophone)
10.2%  (about 75,000 people) unilingual francophones.


Hey, we agree for once.

The question remains...how many of these 75,000 unilingual french NBers are liars?

5%
10%
50%

or all of them?



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StatsCan eyes francophone conspiracy on bilingualism questionnaire

Agency suspects concerted Canada-wide effort to lie on forms to secure federal program funding
By David Gonczol


Thousands of francophones across Canada are believed to have lied about their ability to speak English in a seemingly co-ordinated attempt to manipulate the 2006 Census in order to guarantee federal funding of programs for francophones.

Statistics Canada has taken the unusual step of posting a warning on its website to caution users that the data on bilingualism rates for francophones outside Quebec may not be reliable. The suspected cause is an anonymous French-language e-mail that circulated across Canada prior to the census encouraging francophones to say they could not speak English even if they could. It said doing so would ensure the federal government would not cut services to francophones.

The resulting statistics showed for the first time ever an inexplicable decrease in the number of francophones outside Quebec who said they could speak English, reversing a long trend of increasing rates.

The number of bilingual francophones in Ontario, for example, has been on the rise by between one and three per cent in every census since 1991. However, in 2006 the number unexpectedly fell to 88.4 per cent from 89.4 per cent.

Jean Pierre Corbeil, a chief specialist in the language statistics section, said they have studied the trend reversal and the e-mail appears to be the only factor that may have produced this aberration.
"How can you explain people living in a minority situation, even in really strong minority situations, that they would become less bilingual? This is almost impossible," said Corbeil.
Even if the number of bilingual francophones had risen by only one per cent, confirming the longstanding trend, the number of Franco-Ontarians who may have lied in the census would be about 10,000.
It wasn't just Ontario bucking the trend. Fewer francophones said they could speak English in 2006 in Nova Scotia, New Brunswick, Ontario, Manitoba, Saskatchewan and Alberta. The percentage of francophones outside Quebec who said they could speak English dropped 2.5 percentage points to 83.6 in 2006. The rate of bilingualism for francophones also dropped in Quebec.
The Statistics Act says anyone who lies when participating in a Statistics Canada survey is liable for a $500 fine, but Marc Hamel, manager of the 2011 census, said efforts are never made to track the liars down.

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/life/StatsCan+eyes+francophone+conspiracy/3091164/story.html


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Re: The War For Canada ,Part 2 (Deux ) redux
« Reply #107 on: May 21, 2012, 09:29:30 AM »
the problem with that is that i know of nobody in my French speaking friends that received that e mail or mail ..  not even me .....  so is this true ???

i really think that some peopl might have check off French as their mother tongue   and did not read the rest of the questionnaire

btw do u have a sample of that questionnaire  because i do not remember getting one ???   

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Re: The War For Canada ,Part 2 (Deux ) redux
« Reply #108 on: May 21, 2012, 11:24:25 AM »

Wow...actual dialogue..well sort of.

That questionnaire was in the 2006 Census.

I doubt that even the most extreme Pack Rat would have a copy of that one, but then again who knows.



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Re: The War For Canada ,Part 2 (Deux ) redux
« Reply #109 on: May 24, 2012, 08:05:23 PM »



StatsCan eyes francophone conspiracy on bilingualism questionnaire

Agency suspects concerted Canada-wide effort to lie on forms to secure federal program funding
By David Gonczol


Thousands of francophones across Canada are believed to have lied about their ability to speak English in a seemingly co-ordinated attempt to manipulate the 2006 Census in order to guarantee federal funding of programs for francophones.

Statistics Canada has taken the unusual step of posting a warning on its website to caution users that the data on bilingualism rates for francophones outside Quebec may not be reliable. The suspected cause is an anonymous French-language e-mail that circulated across Canada prior to the census encouraging francophones to say they could not speak English even if they could. It said doing so would ensure the federal government would not cut services to francophones.

The resulting statistics showed for the first time ever an inexplicable decrease in the number of francophones outside Quebec who said they could speak English, reversing a long trend of increasing rates.

The number of bilingual francophones in Ontario, for example, has been on the rise by between one and three per cent in every census since 1991. However, in 2006 the number unexpectedly fell to 88.4 per cent from 89.4 per cent.

Jean Pierre Corbeil, a chief specialist in the language statistics section, said they have studied the trend reversal and the e-mail appears to be the only factor that may have produced this aberration.

"How can you explain people living in a minority situation, even in really strong minority situations, that they would become less bilingual? This is almost impossible," said Corbeil.
Even if the number of bilingual francophones had risen by only one per cent, confirming the longstanding trend, the number of Franco-Ontarians who may have lied in the census would be about 10,000.

It wasn't just Ontario bucking the trend. Fewer francophones said they could speak English in 2006 in Nova Scotia, New Brunswick, Ontario, Manitoba, Saskatchewan and Alberta. The percentage of francophones outside Quebec who said they could speak English dropped 2.5 percentage points to 83.6 in 2006. The rate of bilingualism for francophones also dropped in Quebec.

The Statistics Act says anyone who lies when participating in a Statistics Canada survey is liable for a $500 fine, but Marc Hamel, manager of the 2011 census, said efforts are never made to track the liars down.

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/life/StatsCan+eyes+francophone+conspiracy/3091164/story.html

I recently received a e-mail from one of my most trusted sources.

It included a link to the "Impératif français " site and one page on it.

Now I'm not claiming that "Impératif français " had anything to do with that e-mail telling francophones how to answer the 2006 Census.

I will however say that this does raise some serious question.

http://www.imperatif-francais.org/bienvenu/articles/2006/recensement-2006.html   


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Monday, May 8, 2006 3:45 p.m.
CENSUS 2006 Print
- The AFO is open to residents of Ontario

Census 2006

Important!

The next Census of Canada will be held Tuesday, May 16, 2006. Data collected during this exercise will draw a statistical portrait of Canadian society. This information will, among others, used by federal, provincial and municipal governments to determine the needs of French-language services, such as education and health.

Among the Census questions, only the question on mother tongue (Question 16) is put to all Canadians. It is therefore essential to answer this question. Moreover, the statistics used by governments to determine the number of people who can receive services in French are calculated from questions 13, 16 and 15a respectively of the questionnaire, which will be sent to one in five households. The short questionnaire will be sent to him about 80% of households.

What do your answers to these questions?

13. This person speak French well enough or? Enough to conduct a conversation?

If you answer only "French", you will be identified as French.
If you answer "French and English", Statistics Canada will refer to your answer to question 16.

16. What is the language that this person first learned at home in childhood and that? She still understands?

If you answer "French", you will be identified as French.
If you answer "French and English" or a language other than French or? English, Statistics Canada will refer later to the question 15a).

15. a) What language does this person speak she most often at home?

If you answer only "French", you will be identified as French.
If you answer "French and English", you will be identified as French 0.5 and English 0.5.

It means taking time to understand the census questions before? Answer. It is essential that people who have French as the language?? Clear, just as those who speak French at home. However, no? Is no negative impact to state that? We speak both official languages.

Be the number of Francophones in Ontario!

For more information or to get answers to your questions about the 2006 Census, call 1 877 594-2006 or visit http://www.facebook.com/l/_AQEMJG1pAQGte3jef-vpW7ZiMU-MKmQid6kSgY-yjElJZQ/www.recensement2006.ca.

Adèle Blanchard
Head of Communications
Assembly of the Francophonie in Ontario (AFO)


(May 6, 2006)

Articles - 2006 CENSUS 2006