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The Times and Transcript
« on: January 06, 2012, 09:33:09 AM »
So much for the online free version. But there's always the conservative Metro Moncton News at http://www.metromonctonnews.com


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Re: The Times and Transcript
« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2012, 02:43:44 PM »
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Moncton News brings a balanced view and does so with a conservative edge.

Isn't that a bit contradictory?  ;)
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« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2012, 06:16:08 PM »
Was this thread something to do with the T&T website diverting you to the TJ site instead?

What's that about?
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Re: The Times and Transcript
« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2012, 12:23:59 PM »
The Times & Transcript - and all of Irving's online news properties - have gone behind a paywall hosted at the Telegraph Journal.

Readers are welcome to join us at the Moncton Free Press - http://monctonfreepress.ca - which will be formally launching in a few days. The Moncton Free Press is a media coop which is owned and managed by the community as a whole. Everyone is welcome to join and contribute articles.

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Re: The Times and Transcript
« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2012, 07:09:49 PM »
Paywall? Does this mean the T&T is going to start paying us to read it?  :D Hee hee. Sorry Bristol, I couldn't resist it.  ;)
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« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2012, 07:32:02 PM »
The Times & Transcript - and all of Irving's online news properties - have gone behind a paywall hosted at the Telegraph Journal.

Hmmm. Sounds like they might be making a mistake. Did they do any research?

In Montreal I was a subscriber to the Gazette. That subscription gave me full access to their website.

Until now, the T&T site was free. To all. As  subscriber to the paper any comments I posted were not subject to pre-moderation.

In my experience (which may not be great) a subscription to a newspaper has included access to that paper's website; or at least a reduced rate.

Stand alone charges are not high. The UK Times, for example, charges less than $13. A National newspaper. 7 days a week. And they expect to charge $20 in addition to what people are paying for the paper?

Fat chance of that. The local paper provides vital information. Being able to make the odd comment on the T&T site was fun. But not worth $20.

Are they, perhaps, winding down the newspaper and hoping people will sign up for the web version?
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Re: The Times and Transcript
« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2012, 08:29:41 PM »
for a local paper to think it can charge that kind of money makes you think it is government run ;D...

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« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2012, 11:50:43 AM »
Finally they have actually made an announcement.

The monthly subscription to the paper itself is $16.06.

Apparently the paper and the website will be $16.95. That's actually a very good deal given the improvements to the website. The news is to be updated during the day whereas before it was not updated...even over a weekend.

So less than 90c for the improvement.

Who would pay nearly $20 for just the site when they can get newspaper delivery and the site for less? ???
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Re: The Times and Transcript
« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2012, 02:59:58 PM »
for a local paper to think it can charge that kind of money makes you think it is government run ;D...

Nope, Irving run....worse!

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« Reply #9 on: January 23, 2012, 09:11:32 PM »
This paywall is a terrible idea even the New York Times (which was one the first to implement it) gives ways to get around it.
Adds should be enough to support an online newspaper ,anyways it won`t get one black penny from me
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« Reply #10 on: January 23, 2012, 10:33:58 PM »
use your library card  , sign in at the library and get the paper on the internet for free

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« Reply #11 on: January 23, 2012, 10:58:14 PM »
Good idea except sometimes you have to wait hours to use one of their computers.
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« Reply #12 on: January 23, 2012, 11:27:00 PM »
Or just accept that $16 is a fantasticly good rate to pay for the newspaper each month, having someone deliver it in all weathers so you don't even need to collect it and then pay the extra 90c for the apparently improved website.

I suppose it depends what you want from your news.

There's plenty for national and world news but not much for Moncton. There's News 91.9 which is a sort of "in brief" and there's CBC NB which gives a bit.

Otherwise, there's TV and then a couple of sites where the "news" will be of the sort that Useta disseminates.

The T&T is at least informative as far as Moncton goes. It's just like the local (evening) paper back in Bristol. Not the best, but essential.

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« Reply #13 on: January 24, 2012, 01:22:34 AM »
Good idea except sometimes you have to wait hours to use one of their computers.
Seeing i`m in Quebec City that might not work for me .
edit woops replied to the wrong post sorry this was for notmme and his library sugestion  ^-^
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« Reply #14 on: January 24, 2012, 08:43:12 AM »
Good idea except sometimes you have to wait hours to use one of their computers.

you do not have to go to the library     use this
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http://er-re.gnb.ca/login?auth=english

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« Reply #15 on: January 24, 2012, 11:21:31 AM »
You need to have a New Brunswick address unfortunately  >:( 
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« Reply #16 on: January 24, 2012, 01:06:13 PM »
That's pretty neat, Notme has his own Notlibrary.
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« Reply #17 on: January 24, 2012, 04:23:32 PM »
You need to have a New Brunswick address unfortunately  >:(

You mean for the paper delivery and the cheaper site access? Fair point. I still like to check what's going on back in the UK so I can imagine there may be people living elsewhere who might do the same with Moncton.

But in a similar situation, I'd get family or friend to do the necessary and share an account  :)

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« Reply #18 on: January 24, 2012, 08:17:05 PM »
Here's what you do. Give the T&T to somebody in Moncton as a Birthday gift and keep the T&T online for yourself.
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« Reply #19 on: February 01, 2012, 09:56:06 AM »
Interesting read on the state of the t&t http://themonctongrimes-dripdrain.blogspot.com/
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« Reply #20 on: February 01, 2012, 03:16:59 PM »
I remember seeing that blog previously. Lots of interesting stuff there. I see the blogger likes the UK Guardian, just as I do.

A couple of comments:

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If you want to keep up on the news, then keep you money in your pocket. Don't subscribe to the TandT, either on paper or on the web.

I think it's important to distinguish "the news" and the local news. Where else do you find information, for example, on Highfield Sq Mall closing and what stores from there are relocating and what is disappearing; What other source was there for information about the world junior track event in Moncton or the bid for the Women's soccer football world cup?

You could probably go searching for some of these things, but you need to know there's something to search for first.

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The purpose of the TandT is not to inform readers. It's to keep them ignorant of what's going on. It's not to encourage discussion. It's to encourage us to slip into a zombie-like state.

I don't think that's wholly accurate. Over the last year, some of the news and discussion with both sides views well covered, has included the cost of bed blocking and related costs of alternative nursing care; the catastrophic drug plan; various poverty issues; the Seniors prescription drug program changes and, most recently, the dispute between the province and the dentists relating to treatment and costs for those dependent on assistance from the province.

These things have been touched on by CBC and NEWS 91.9 but not with anything like the depth and regularity of the T&T with the added bonus of the public forum. I notice the CBC site no longer has a public discussion forum. :(

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« Reply #21 on: February 02, 2012, 11:31:55 PM »
Interesting read on the state of the t&t http://themonctongrimes-dripdrain.blogspot.com/

Hmmmm....there are a lot of posts on that blog complaining of keeping readers in the dark, discouraging discussion etc.

I just made a comment after the latest piece. It gets published (or not) after approval. I hope this doesn't mean censorship of differing opinions. ;)

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« Reply #22 on: February 20, 2012, 04:20:29 PM »
From today's anti T&T blog. See earlier link.

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For the Moncton Times and Transcript, the big story of the day, highlighted on p. A 1 with lots of pictures on A. 4. is about a big dress sale. Yesterday.
Yes, I know I'm just a man. But it was just a dress sale. A big one, but still a dress sale. And it's not coming. It's over. It was yesterday.

In fact, it didn't make the news at all outside New Brunswick.

And why should it? It happened in Moncton and was of interest to people in this area. As illustrated by the attendance of people in this area. No doubt similar events are held in other places and are only of interest in those other places.

 
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Across Canada, the big news story is the fury over the Harper government's bill to permit police spying on our telephone calls and web messages, thus raising state spying on citizens to the levels it has reached in the US, China, and North Korea.

That was a National story. I wouldn't expect a great deal of coverage in a Provincial newspaper let alone one for a small city not even the capital of a province.
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If you want to get a better idea of what the fuss is about, you have to go to Letters to the Editor.

Better still, go to a news source where one would expect appropriate coverage. Globe and Mail, perhaps. National Post even. Or one of the big city papers of Toronto or Montreal. National Television News maybe...CBC....CTV....
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« Reply #24 on: May 04, 2012, 12:46:09 AM »
I don't know how long this video has been on the CanadaEast/Telegraph  website but i assume it`s not going so well (with the paywal) that they have to show what is inside.
Seems to me not many subscribed.
Well i`ve been getting my news from the CBC,Global Maritimes Ctv Maritimes which are probably better than the Irving run website.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=zxp0O-16s1s#!
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« Reply #25 on: May 04, 2012, 09:38:58 AM »
Seems to me not many subscribed.

I wonder if they made a bit of a boob.

When you check out the rates advertised it looks too much just for the website but if you subscribe to the paper, the extra buck or two for adding the website looks a good deal.

The only thing is the paper subscription rate quoted may actually be more than subscribers are currently paying.

Certainly it appears I am paying less for my subscription to the paper than the rate quoted.

So while the extra cost looks worth it, mine would be an extra extra cost if you see what I mean.
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« Reply #26 on: May 04, 2012, 09:55:05 AM »
Scrub that. It looks like the rates have changed since I commented on it last time.

The website says the website only is $19.95

but website and the paper delivery is $16.95

I think this is the other way round from the original launch.

The paper is also advertising the paper for $16.95.

I'll come back on this later.  ??? ???


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« Reply #27 on: May 04, 2012, 10:50:35 AM »
The website says the website only is $19.95
but website and the paper delivery is $16.95

Righto. Back.

At the beginning of this thread I mentioned the original rates, namely $16.06 for just the paper and $16.95 for paper and the site access.

So in my mind it was worth the extra 89c to gain the revamped website then. And now it's actually cheaper to take both than just have the paper.

Ever since I subscribed to the paper I have added a monthly tip. This way it gets to the person regularly delivering whereas a Christmas box, bonus or whatever you call it here might not.

Anyway, because the new subscription system didn't allow that to be built in and that was important to me, I left things as they were.

But when I discovered this tipping/billing problem, I found my subscription rate to be less than the rates quoted. Reduced rate as a "loyal" customer, I suppose. :)

Anyway, because of that, the cost to me for adding website access was actually going to be more than it should have been. Or, put another way, I'd lose the loyalty discount.
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« Reply #28 on: May 12, 2012, 06:25:08 PM »
Dunno if I'm being too fussy but I'm going to nitpick one of "Whatever's" teen columnists again. The fault may be in the editing of her article rather than in the way she wrote it, but since she's the editor as well......

The column was about keeping youth in Moncton and NB in general. She referred to the university choices as sufficient but it really sounded like she meant insufficient.

She wrote how UdeM was good if you were studying in French and then wrote about how Crandall was for Christians (aside from their homophobic policies, apparently they fined someone for not attending chapel as often as they'd like) and went on to say if there was another English university people would rethink leaving. So she is definitely saying what we have is not sufficient.

It's a simple mistake but it means the opposite of what she was saying. The lead writer and editor ought to do better; it's really not the first time. :(

Moving on she mentioned the planned events centre at Highfield Sq. As someone who lived "downtown" she felt it should be there rather than at Highfield Sq.

What, Highfield Sq isn't Downtown? It's just 2 minutes walk from the subway.

Even if technically it doesn't count as Downtown, she wrote that having it downtown rather than Highfield Sq would make it more likely she'd return to Moncton after Uni. Seriously? That two minutes would make all the differnce in such a decision?

But she also referred to the advantages of having an events centre. "It will make our Downtown bigger" she said. Wouldn't "bigger" encompass moving outward by 200 metres? A distance she feels is too far?
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« Reply #29 on: May 12, 2012, 08:25:53 PM »
Isabelle is I believe the daughter of Scott Agnew running for council.

Her comments about Crandall simply show that her empty head has still not been filled with a reasonable education while in High School or from her family.

She also shows that she can't judge distance very well .

Not sure that Moncton would miss her and her kind if they left .